tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419210048434008263.post4120648096932475241..comments2023-05-08T04:09:10.395-07:00Comments on Kleeb Verses The World: It's The Economy, Stupid!Kleebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05909768097322035462noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419210048434008263.post-27214892476919647592009-02-21T20:31:00.000-08:002009-02-21T20:31:00.000-08:00sorry typo, stimulus is ~$850 bsorry typo, stimulus is ~$850 bAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419210048434008263.post-55662403224884189102009-02-21T20:30:00.000-08:002009-02-21T20:30:00.000-08:00I'm with you with your semi-libertarian view there...I'm with you with your semi-libertarian view there kleeb.<BR/><BR/>The stimulus bill sucks, individually it's going to cost each fully-employed taxpayer in the country $63,000.<BR/><BR/>But you think that's bad? The stimulus bill is going to be ~$500 billion... But the total price of the bank bailouts has been 4.6 trillion<BR/><BR/>FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419210048434008263.post-25069489325166360172009-02-18T10:18:00.000-08:002009-02-18T10:18:00.000-08:00Internet Blogs.Internet Blogs.Kleebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05909768097322035462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419210048434008263.post-343167875291637162009-02-18T00:36:00.000-08:002009-02-18T00:36:00.000-08:00Comparing Austrian economics to the current state ...Comparing Austrian economics to the current state of the COUNTRY of Austria's practices? Really? Look up Austrian economics before you comment on it. Mises.org<BR/><BR/>Im sorry, i hate debating online,and i am not going to respond to anything else said here, but that is proof right there how little either of you know about what i am into. So, really nogic, why debate kleeb on second hand quotes made about things i've said....thats just silly. I can't help that he felt like typing out what he thought i said (some of it may be correct) or what it made him think about. I can only defend what I BELIEVE not what someone else gets from what i believe. So, take apart things i believe IN PERSON and IN FRONT OF ME, WITH ME PRESENT not second hand. TANKS cuple too tree<BR/><BR/>love you, and im not angry, just alittle weirded outttttt<BR/><BR/><BR/>oh and dooo me a bigg favor, both of you, don;t get all WHOAAAA DUDEEEE CHILLL OUTT JEEEZEEEEEE NOT EVVVERYONE THINGS LIKE YOUUU that's some scarrry reverse psychology shit and it freaks me out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419210048434008263.post-79513253181614216542009-02-17T14:26:00.000-08:002009-02-17T14:26:00.000-08:00I whole-heartedly support universal health care fo...I whole-heartedly support universal health care for this reason. I think privatization is good when you have a choice, but when something like your health comes along and you may not be able to afford health care, a universal coverage plan would be better.<BR/><BR/>For example, my dad has hemophilia and has been on medication for 40+ years. He's been paying for health insurance, but it's going to run out. There's only a certain amount of health care they can give you. If you use up all your health care, that's just too bad for you. He's going to be dropped and my mom's health care plan is going to have to pick him up. It's complete bullshit. Not only that, it's not like he CHOSE to have hemophilia, but he still needs the medication. So what can you do about that?<BR/><BR/>I think there are certain things you're entitled to, such as education, health care, and protection. The government should be in charge of these things. Maybe privatization will work in certain places, but not everywhere. This is why I said "Nate believes" instead of "we believe." I'm simply playing devil's advocateKleebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05909768097322035462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419210048434008263.post-21587523542427487572009-02-17T12:27:00.000-08:002009-02-17T12:27:00.000-08:00"HMOs are in control of most of the medical practi..."HMOs are in control of most of the medical practices today and it's destroying any sort of independent medical practice. Also malpractice lawsuits make it almost impossible for an independent doctor to exist."<BR/><BR/>True.<BR/><BR/>"Nate's belief is that no one takes better care of you than the community, so a privately owned hospital has incentive to take better care of their patients than a government-owned universal health care plan."<BR/><BR/>False. Personally, I was left to rot with an imploding appendix on a stretcher in a hallway by myself for 2+ hours. This was at New York Presbyterian, a private hospital and consistently considered to be one of the best hospitals in the country (and in my community). I feel this was wholly because of the confusion about my health insurance status. I had out-of-state emergency coverage and at least twice the ER doctors asked me "Now, you're sure you have insurance?" Because, apparently, without insurance I couldn't afford to slowly die in a hallway. Or sleep without a blanket or was told I couldn't call my family because it was an out-of-nyc area code.<BR/><BR/>There is no reason why this mythical 'community doctor' (that doesn't really exist for most people any longer) can't exist within the realm of a nationalized health care system. <BR/><BR/>Especially considering the disastrous financial situation are in where people can't AFFORD to be sick, it is of the utmost importance that we insure that everyone in this country has access to health care. This is not feasible any longer through this mangled, capital-driven privatized system we have now.<BR/><BR/>For example, one of my mother's co-workers was laid off after 20+ years at Blue Cross, she and everyone else believes this was because her health costs were too high (costing the company too much $), as she required dialysis every few days or so. Her supervisor has repeatedly stated that her health condition has not nor has ever affected her job performance. But, still laid off. From a fucking health insurance company!<BR/><BR/>Community doctors my ass. The government must take steps to ensure equal coverage. And Austria isn't so wholly privatized either - public health insurance is mandatory and "Equal accessibility to health care services for all and the solidarity in the compulsory health insurance scheme are -- even under budget constraints -- unquestioned values." So, really?<BR/><BR/>Here's the website for that last bit: http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102274617.htmlnorth american scumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04091819854456203065noreply@blogger.com